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Ohio High School
Golf Coaches Association
Present:
Note: for these minutes, Ken = Ken Campinizzi;
The meeting came to order at 5:15 pm (later due to weather). 1. Take Attendance Absent at 5:15: Lora Wagner, Richard Scaife 2. Comments from President Joe Matheny Since April 7 Presidents of Coaches Associations meeting, agenda has grown: a) Pre-season meeting -- coaches should show the OHSAA dvd at preseason meeting------- NFHS plans to have a dvd to be shown on concussions (John adds: same information is in the front of the book) b) Coaching Education Class – once a coaches’ pupil activity certification ends, they will need to take the coaching class c) March to a Million Campaign -- this is a community service opportunity – coaches of all sports are invited to get their athletes involved with service d) Public vs. non-public schools tournaments -- brought up by Wayne County (John adds: it’s been brought up for vote twice, provided context – Division 4 & 5 – OHSAA proposed to use a multiplier . . .. committee to be formed by OHSAA to investigate this and look into resolutions . .. if member schools voted, it would be closer than in past years – biggest problem is in football when you look at enrollments) Sarge: how many states have split state championships? John: Maybe 6? Diane: it’s hard to compete against these private schools when you are public – it’s an advantage to have a split Dom/John: There are so many other pieces to the puzzle. John: Commissioner Ross has had that concern and is looking for solutions. 3. Treasurers Report by Treasurer Casey Milligan We have never done a treasury report before; people were concerned with money issues. Our budget goes in a two year cycle due to the Rules clinic – Rules clinic dues generate the biggest income in that two-year cycle Income = $16,670 Collected $16, 670 last year through Rules clinic dues Expenses = $19, 472 Clinic cost $11, 999.20 last year State Tournament – more than most years due to Northstar addition as a new tournament site cost $6, 587 Misc. Payouts – web, meal at Nov. Executive Board Meeting – $885 So looking at last year alone, we operated at a deficit of about $2800. Am I surprised? No, because the Rules clinic dues will balance out the loss this year. It’s been that way for years. That is why we budget on a two-year cycle. One concern I have about this year: Many of the Central District girls coaches did not pay in to the dues this year – 10 did, usually 40-50 do. They might pay as walk-ins tomorrow. I’ve been treasurer 6-7 years now, and it’s about the same every year. Looking ahead to future years, we might need to jump clinic fee to $50? We’ll see next year and make that decision if necessary. One question I am often asked is “what does our OHSGCA membership get us?” A heck of a lot! For example, if you came to the clinic last year and ate lunch, you paid $45 for your dues and you cost the association $36 for that weekend alone. Alice: Do you pay to rent Fawcett Center? Casey: Yes. OSU is good to us. We checked on a hall as another site and it was 2-3 times more than Fawcett Center. Alice: Are we breaking even over two years? Casey: On a Rules clinic year, we are carrying over $8000 to the second year when we need it. As long as I am a year ahead, I’m happy because we can always change the fee (dues). 4. Comments from OHSAA Golf Administrator/Consultant John Dickerson You can begin your tryouts/required team practices on August 2 Matches can begin for the first time on the first Friday of the season: August 6 – congratulations to Joe and Casey on presenting that to the Board of Control 1st Monday of August will always be the start date; 1st Friday following that will always follow the 1st Monday and be the first Start of Competition date every year. A Student-athlete becomes a member of the team when he/she plays in a match/scrimmage against another school. Practice is permitted and does not count toward that rule. Awards received – any event you participate in where you play golf, you may receive $200 in value. Closest to the Pin, Hole in One and Long Drive contests do not count – because you are not playing golf. You can never take cash – merchandise is okay as long as it does not exceed $200. If you win $200 cash and do not accept it, it’s not a Rules violation. Passed out the attendance cards for the Rules meeting tomorrow so that you can help pass out forms/collect forms tomorrow, etc. after the speaker gets finished. About what Casey and Joe mentioned about the Central District Girls coaches possibly breaking away from our association. I was offended by some of the emails regarding the state tournament and that this was a group of “old men.” I think it’s great to have separate associations at the district level, but not at the state level. How will a separate state association grow girls golf – especially with tournament and awards program together? The argument of NCAA Rule with kids on campus does not hold weight – everyone has the same access to the courses. Girls = 260 schools, boys = 700 schools – so it is reflective of that representation on the OHSGCA Board. You all represent golf – not just boys or girls. There is some animosity between a few individuals. From a financial point of view, it will be difficult to hold a tournament anywhere else. OSU charges $30 for 54 holes a golf per player. Casey: We paid $18 a player per day at Players Club. Diane: What about range fees? Casey: That fee goes directly to the pro shop. Alice: Would we be the only association to split in Ohio? John: Yes. The only close one would be baseball and softball but they have chosen to have separate associations because the rules of their respective games are so different. If asked for my recommendation for golf, I would say keep it as is. It is an avenue for your input into the board of Control. I believe they would frown upon having to listen to two separate coaches associations for one sport. Alice: Would the Board of Control recognize a separate tournament? Casey: Maybe, maybe not. The big issue is finances. I think the Board would think long and hard about passing anything for the girls that they wouldn’t pass for the boys. John: Quotes some emails from coaches. Diane: An issue I have heard about is the availability to play Gray. I polled NE coaches and everyone wants to stay at Gray. Where does spectator money go? Casey: To OHSAA. They lose $15,000- 20,000 on our state tournament a year. To add another site will increase that by another $5-10,000. 5. Clinic Information by Steve Youmans Matt Lefferts did a great job last time with a very shortened 45 minute slot. This year he will have about 75 minutes plus. He got the mini-rule packets donated this year. The cost of this part is minimal – pay the OSU tech guy and the speaker who uses a Powerpoint presentation. USGA website is a great tool, so check it out. 6. Award Information by Kevin Smith Named the awardees for tomorrow’s program. To be eligible, you need to meet the qualifications for the awards. 7. Old Business a) Committee Report by Chairman Randy Miskell investigating the possibility of changing the Coaching Rule and the possibility of changing state tournament dates Focus on definition of where/when coaching; SW & NE emphasized the need to focus on a change in the rule so that a coach can speak to his/her athlete anywhere but on the green. Majority of girls and middle school coaches felt it would help speed up pace of play. Two head coaches who are professionals worried that it might slow down play. SW is unanimous in wanting a change; NE has a majority of coaches wanting a change. These are the largest districts. Diane: I sent out an email survey. Most interesting point was that the 45 second rule does not change so a new coaching rule would not slow down play. You coach quietly while your athlete is waiting his/her turn to play. Joe: Have you raised some questions with this committee? We need to be prepared to answer questions on the spot when we put this before the Board of Control. Do we have a list of questions/answers? Randy: Not yet. On another note, we cannot legislate a coaches’ code of ethics. Coaches must be people of character. Dom: The questions about pace of play need to be answered for this to continue to go forward. At junior tournaments with younger players, you need to help move them along for the sake of pace of play. The proposed rule will help move the pace along. Kenny: I like the 45 second rule point made by Diane. At a regular match between two schools, will you come up with more antagonism between two coaches/schools? Sarge: We got some mail last year with some of this antagonism. Who will call the 45 second penalty? Not everyone is following the current rule anyway! That’s against the rules. It’s important that coaches know the rules and follow them – take a Rule book with you out onto the course. Diane: Some coaches coach when players/groups are out of position. I feel like being on this board, I have to live up to these rules completely. Sarge: We have some coaches who don’t follow the rules. Dom: Let’s make rule changes for those who operate the right way and do the right things. Casey: This body needs to come up with questions. Joe: That’s the purpose for the committee. Casey: We can then send out those questions and come with answers to our November meeting. John: You know the Board of Control will ask what other states are doing. Joe: At our general meeting, I will ask coaches to send questions to District reps so we can make a better proposal. If we go to the Board of Control with a recommendation for a rule change, I want to be prepared! Dom: We need to ask some questions about the opposite side as well. Randy again regarding changing the dates for the State Tournament: I polled coaches and NE was definitely in favor of earlier tournament. Brian Barnett did a survey of weather and found that the week after the usual dates for the State Tournament is often better than the weekends we usually use for the tournament. Joe: any other old business? (no) 7. New Business a) Discuss Girl's Representation Joe: I have copies of all emails sent. Lora Wagner has gone above and beyond in her position in listening to coaches’ concerns in her district. Kevin: I have received much communication from Lora. I appreciate it! Joe: Please thank her. She is not here because she is probably at the meeting being hosted by the Central District Girls coaches. I hope that everyone in this room is looking at what is best for golf through our entire state, whether it’s boys or girls, high school or middle school. Some suggestions for how to proceed with who is named to this Executive Board of OHSGCA: keep it the same? should we have elected reps? is that fair proportionally? John: SE has 65-70 schools. NE has 200+. Is that fair? Joe: C/SE/E could have a rotation. Does SW & NW have more than one coaches association within their districts? Alice & Marianne: No Casey: Is there a way that every girls coach can fairly be represented? Especially in C/SE/E. Bring us a system and we can make it work. Alice: There is no way an election would be fair at our meeting after the state tournament for awards. Though most coaches come to the meeting, not all coaches come to the meeting. Diane: Then have that voting at that meeting. That’s how it works in our association. To have your voice heard, it’s important to come to the district meeting! Alice: We are just coming on board with girls golf in our area. Diane: I had to grow girls golf association in our area. (NE) Alice, you are doing that in your area. In terms of C/SE/E, representation probably needs to rotate. I don’t think it is fair to change now, it should change with the presidency. Joe: Can we wait 2-4 years? Diane: If we said it would come with the new presidency, that gives everyone that time to make that adjustment. Alice: I was asked to be on this association to grow the game of golf. If I didn’t feel that sitting on this association was fair in terms of representation, I wouldn’t be a part of this association. Diane: In my 9 years, things have changed dramatically for girls golf. Joe: Let those who feel representation is unfair know that you are here for them. Diane: The issue appears to be more than representation. They feel they can do more with less money – better course, etc. Brian: We cannot give them both courses at Foxfire. Our owners made that clear a few years ago. Diane: Some coaches want to run both D1 and D2 girls state tournaments at the same time at the same venue. Joe: new business: Brian Shircliff is resigning as Vice president because he is stepping away from coaching golf and he has said he will only be VP if he is coaching. At our Fall meeting we will discuss what to do. We need a minute taker for November meeting. Worst case scenario: we wait until spring meeting because we are doing elections at that time anyway. Kenny: Just to be clear about Northstar driving range. It was closed due to weather. Please make it clear to the coaches in your district. 8. District Concerns C - none SW - none NW - none – we took a survey, no results in yet NE - none E - none SE - none 9. Miscellaneous Lora Wagner entered the meeting. She had gone to the meeting of Central District girls coaches. Joe: Any other business? (no) Do I have a motion to adjourn? Kevin: Yes. Alice: I second that. Meeting adjourned so all could get to the coaches’ business meeting in the next room. |
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