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Executive
Board Meeting OHSAA
– Present: Assistant Commissioner - John Dickerson President - Joe Matheny Vice President/Minute Taker - Brian Shircliff Treasurer - Casey Milligan Central Representative – Russ Edgington Northeast Representative – Jonathan Laube Northwest Representative – Mike Gardner Southwest Representative – Dominic Williams Southeast Representative – Randy Miskell East Representative/Hall of Fame Chairperson – Kevin Smith Appointee from the Northeast – Diane McCall Appointee from the Northwest – Alice James Appointee from the Central/East/Southeast – Lora Wagner Appointee from the Southwest – Marianne Sahms Clinic Director and Organizer – Steve Youmans Rules Interpreter – Gary Sargent (Sarge) Past President/Rules Interpreter – Kenny Youngman Past President – Ken Campinizzi Past President – Dick Scaife Note:
for these minutes, Ken = Ken Campinizzi
. . . . . . . Kenny = Kenny Youngman. Meeting came to order with the Pledge of
Allegiance at A. Roll was taken and everyone was invited to introduce herself/himself Joe: regarding communication – check website and email Jonathan to make sure your correct contact information is posted. B. Review of State Tournament by John Dickerson a. Thanks to Kenny Youngman for heading up the tournament for Boys Division II at NorthStar – we received nothing but compliments. Kenny worked well with Northstar. The Boys Division III Tournament will be there next year. b. Thanks to 10 of you for
assistance with rules interpretation, marshalling, etc. at 2nd
weekend for the Girls Division I and the Boys Division I.
There were a few rulings, nothing earth shattering.
Thanks to Gary Sargent for being in charge of rules.
We dealt with rain on 1st day.
The grounds crew did a fantastic job of making the course playable on
the 2nd day, and the winners were crowned by c. There have been some concerns
expressed about the weather in October with the dates of our tournaments.
For the second weekend (Boys and Girls Division I tournaments), it was
70 degrees on Wednesday and Thursday, and then rain on Friday and cold on
Saturday. The next weekend was
very nice. Some have suggested we
move tournament earlier. Let’s
remember that that weekend this year was bitterly cold.
We need to remember that October weather in Diane: I
heard from the Kevin: I had similar situation – I allowed removal of leaves and made the player replace the ball as near as possible to the original spot. Sarge: The only instruction given to the players was to play traps as they are announced on 1st tee.
Several in attendance began
researching the Rules of Golf and the Decisions on the Rules of Golf and
someone also made a call to the USGA during the meeting, and John Dickerson
resumed while that was happening: d. Every
tournament manager receives a huge packet with a memo that says these
reminders about having a meeting before the tournament, having a manager’s
book, and distinguishing between rules officials and marshals, having a
private area to turn in scorecards after tournament is completed.
They also get a detailed reporting form about finances and a packet of
rules compiled by OSHGCA. #9 on
that sheet deals with the issue of carts.
It is strongly recommended that carts are to be used by tournament
officials and marshalls only. Jonathan: What if an athlete is sick? Casey: The language needs to be clarified to the tournament managers: “should = must be followed”. Dom: We did not get that memo that managers get – we can remind them about the “should”. Kevin: The information must go to the district board. Our manager allowed it anyway after we reminded him that we were not to use carts. Jonathan: There are no consequences for tournament managers – each district board needs to hold managers accountable – give them consequences for not following the State rules. Joe: Who influences district boards over who is hired as managers? John: I send this packet to the board sec/pres. Most tourney managers are veterans who do not make a lot of money, but politely insist that you want to see these things done. I had frustration to hear about carts. Diane: Carts are noisy and create distractions – but people bring up the liability issue – what else can we say to those who really want them? Kevin: Liability
is with the managers for not having enough John: We have 7-9 marshals to address safety – rides – at OSU. Even at a regular season match there has to be a coach nearby who can address any issues that come up (illness or injury of an athlete, etc.) Lora: If weather is good, there are plenty of people around; if weather not good, spectators go to the clubhouse! John: In terms of a spectator being handicapped and wanting to get out to the course to watch, we can and will get people out onto the course. Dominic: Can we change that word in the tournament manager packet regarding carts from should/highly recommended to must? John: yes Joe: Shall we entertain a motion that “should” be changed to “must” – that at the sectional/district tournaments carts must be used only by tournament officials and marshalls (not by coaches)? Mike: I say yes – change the language to must. Randy: I second. Joe: Any discussion? (None) Motion passed unanimously. John: Call me if there are questions! Mike: Can we get a copy of what is distributed to the tournament managers? (Yes) Casey: It’s important to note that this is unanimous vote here. Kenny: Most coaches do not know this rule exists!
John resumed his review: e. We had a very unfortunate issue at the district level, and Sarge helped resolve it. There was an issue at a regular season match between two schools that resulted in lots of anger and bad will and a 21 page document being sent to us by one of the coaches/parents. (Sarge will discuss this later in the meeting.) A discussion
about the bunker ruling at the State Tournament resumed:
Kenny read the 3 options from Rule 28. Marianne: There is a decision 28-10 involving disqualification. Brian: Seeing how much trouble we had with this bunker ruling, why not get USGA rules officials at the State Tournaments – we use them in our district and have found they are better with the kids – and with the Rules of Golf – than we are! I know I am not comfortable being a rules official for the State Tournaments and I know a lot about the rules. Casey: We have them already. Kenny: Football and basketball state officials need to take a class and pass a test – why not with us? f. John left the meeting to attend another meeting, and a discussion was entertained by Dick Scaife regarding State practice rounds and also 10 minute tee times at the State Tournaments. Dick: Jim Brown recommended for practice rounds 15 minute maximum for any team on the green and then they must move onto next hole. Jim was not excited about 10 minute tee times at the tournament, though I pointed out that it would make it easy to know who is out of position. There were huge gaps – three open holes at the Boys Division I tournament. There was a
discussion about why and it was discovered that the gap happened between waves
– switching nines. Diane: Why did the sqeegees appear for Scarlet and not Gray on Friday? Joe: We will let greenskeepers know about that. Casey: I make a motion that there be 10 minute tee times at the State Tournaments. Dick: I second it. Joe: Any discussion? (None) Motion passed unanimously. John returned to the meeting for a moment and said
he would make a reminder on the coaches’ packets that the practice round
pace of play will be 5 – 5.5 hours, which should allow everyone ample time
on the course and still get everyone finished before dark. C. Clinic Information Steve passed out the May clinic agenda. Steve: Matt Lefferts is coming again for Rules Interpretation at our clinic. He is more than happy to do rules interpretation at the State Tournament and any District Tournaments for no fee (just reimburse his mileage and buy him lunch). Kenny: Matt is excellent. Steve: We will give him 1.5 hours and he will be bringing his own Powerpoint presentation as well. Kenny: OSU Men’s new coach Donnie Darr will be at the clinic and maybe here today as well. Steve: I will make changes to the flier and send it out to schools. Jonathan: I will put final copy on the website. Casey: Vendors are required to provide door prizes. Casey: Should we pass out bags this year to coaches as their door gift? It would be nice to have a Decisions on the Rules of Golf book but they are $15 and the bags and notepads are $5. Joe: Bags? All: bags are fine. Kenny will work on getting free balls, tees, etc. Dom: Will
anyone work on getting tee times blocked out for Sunday Casey: I will. Kevin: I get the recommendations for Hall of Fame from district reps. D. Hall of Fame and Sportsmanship Awards Joe: As I look at the 2005 minutes, we have a rotation established by district for our association’s sportsmanship awards. Kevin: Our Distinguished Service Award rotates to the Southeast District this year – to someone who promotes high school golf. The Girls Sports and Integrity Award moves to the Southeast this year; the Boys Sports and Integrity Award comes from the East this year. In terms of the Hall of Fame Awards, I make sure membership info is correct and then I get feedback from district reps. Most we have awarded with the Hall of Fame honor is 3 in a year. Joe: If a district has no one to nominate for these awards, you can waive your opportunity. The association will allow OHSAA to choose but I believe it is important we stay on the rotation – there is no confusion then over which district is next. Dominic: Is there someone who might be worthy of any of these awards who might be near the end of their career? Casey: I make a motion that in a year when the rotation district has no one to nominate, like this year, district reps send your girls sportsmanship names to the Hall of Fame Chairman (currently, Kevin) by March 1 and make a committee of three (President, most recent Past President, and Hall of Fame Chairman) to determine who receives the award. Dominic: I second that motion. Joe: Any discussion? (None) Motion is passed unanimously. Kevin: Is the George Valentine Award given yearly? Who was the committee last year? Casey: Kenny Yougman, Ken Campanezzi as president, and myself. Joe: It
was set up as the president, past presidents, and member of the Valentine
Family – so send them to me and I will forward it on to past presidents.
December 31 is the application deadline.
Selection committee will meet at the January Board of Directors meeting
at Kenny: The Valentine family is fine with whomever we choose because they do not know the coaches anymore. Steve: If there is an awardee, we need to set aside time on the day of the clinic to give out the award. Dominic: If no one receives the award in a given year, maybe we can mention that we have a Valentine Award anyway at the clinic. George is worthy of it. Steve: Who presents the award? Kenny: Sarge and I did last year. Steve: Should we pass out all awards at the same time at the clinic? Joe: Yes. Kevin: Jonathan has the nominating form for the Hall of Fame on the OHSGCA website. OSU Men’s
Golf Coaches Donnie Darr and Chris Yoder entered the meeting to address how
they may be a resource to our association.
Coach Darr made these points: We are here as a resource to your association. We want to help grow the game here. We want the best player in the state to consider coming to OSU. Technology helps us stay connected with lots of tournaments and athletes’ scores, but we want you to help us find those athletes who have fallen between the cracks. John
Dickerson returned to the meeting and added these points to his earlier
report: There was no change in representation this year. There were 679 boys’ teams in tournament last year and 675 this year. There were 269 girls’ teams in tournament last year and 275 this year. Representation has been this way for a long time with 6 athletic districts in the state. Representation from the district to the state tournament level is based on number of teams within that district. Southeast had enough this year for the first time to have a sectional/district tournament. You need at least two representatives coming out of a district in golf according to OHSAA regulations. The system of representation is as fair as possible and sometimes it positively affects a sport in one district and negatively affects a different sport in that same district. Numbers dictate that representation for fair representation. Break for lunch -- The OSU coaches joined the association members for lunch, catered by Donato’s – courtesy of Casey. E. Old Business Joe: Earlier minutes from 2005 reflect the decision to have the NW district rep be the focal person for the girls representatives – Diane McCall will be the focus rep for people to call in the future. Ken: That was to help get the 2nd girls division. Joe : I will copy all old minutes and pass them on if need be. I have the binder here. Ken to John: In girls’ golf in matches, girls may not compete against JV boys teams – correct? John: Correct. If school has 3 girls playing on a boys’ team, they may play in girls tournament. If a school has 4 girls, they may not play in boys’ tournament. They must play in the girls’ tournament because they have a team. Joe: The school must inform OHSAA that they will have girls golf so that they can be recognized for the tournament. John: Yes – call us to let us know you are adding girls’ golf by the September date. John: yes Joe: Lora, John can do the same for you so you know all full teams from C/SE/E so you can be in contact with them. John: I can be reached at 614-378-9076 or jdickerson@ohsaa.org F. New Business – began at Casey: We all remember the late notice (in April) of the change of the season start date this year -- we informed everyone of the change of date on the day we first knew for sure about it and put it on the website once it was passed by the Board of Control/Dr. Ross. This created a lot of turmoil, as we all know! For future years, we made a proposal for the season start date to always be the first Monday in August. At the Board of Control, they made a proposal that we begin the same start date as football. One problem is that this would begin July 28 in a few years. I have been going for 15 years to these meetings and I have spoken only once or twice and I spoke up at this meeting. I went to the other associations (except football) to ask if they would all sign-on to one proposal as being the first Monday in August. We want to make this proposal at the January meeting. We also have a second proposal piece to add Friday of that same week (the Friday immediately following the Monday start date) as the first competition date – this is a compromise to allow a few competitive dates for some that have the concern about school beginning earlier. I did this with talking with Joe and Ken. This group needs to vote on this. Diane: Starting in July prevents athletes from competing in some of the big tournaments in July. Joe: We still have the right to coach year-round – you can instruct at any time. John: Yes, this is correct. You can coach year round. Joe: Most teams in the Southeast District are not interested in playing 18-hole events – that is different from most of the state. This proposal makes scheduling more convenient for everyone. Diane: This would make it possible for us to schedule on that Friday this year? Casey: Yes, we can do that if we vote that way. John: There
is a precedent of something like this happening in other sports -- soccer and
basketball. Dominic: Is there an acclimation period for golf? John: No. You can coach year-round anyway. As a principal, I recommend to every golf coach that you have an organized tryout period to deal with parent questions!! Kevin: Friday of the first week of the season is the proposal? Casey: yes Kevin: I make a motion to accept the proposal #1 (that our first tryout/season start date be the first Monday in August) and proposal #2 (that we may hold our first contests the first Friday of the season). Jonathan: I second. Joe: Any discussion? The motion is passed unanimously. Casey: Know that other sports will have other proposals and the Board of Control will decide – maybe allowing both proposals or none of our proposals. They have the final say. Sarge: I have something for discussion . . . many issues arisen this year where scorecards are submitted and they want to disqualify someone for something that happened earlier. If you’re going to disqualify someone, you need to do it when it happens. No one has rule books out there – players, coaches, everyone. Bad rulings are often given at matches. We should pass a regulation – call a penalty on that hole or never. We need to protect kids from bad rulings and disqualifications if they follow directions of the coach who made a ruling. Dominic: What does the USGA say? Sarge: It says “reasonable time period”. Casey: We’ve had this discussion – a coach can ask about ruling and it’s not coaching. A coach must step in – that’s within the guidelines of our coaching rule. Sarge: In a dual match, both coaches can give a ruling. But the home coach is the decider. Diane: What about in sectional tournament? Ken: This happened in the girls’ sectional and the 4th place coach made a big deal about something that happened on the course but he waited to make his point until after all scorecards had been signed. Kevin: I was there – we are arguing about something that never should have happened. We do not need to create a rule so that no one can ever be disqualified. We need a regulation to deal with the after-the-tournament calls. (John left
the meeting to attend another meeting.) Dominic: In the Rules of Golf, the “serious breach” clause covers a lot of the issues. Kenny: The rules are written to protect the player, and not to win by – a coach was trying to use the rules to win by. Sarge: Diane Schwab and I have a disagreement – she says that the USGA is what stands. I don’t see it that way. Can we make a rule that says that you cannot disqualify a player for an error after scorecards have been submitted? I don’t want to see kids getting disqualified-- Marianne: That’s the Rules of Golf, and it would be difficult to create a rule like this to not disqualify someone. Sarge: But they need to make their concern known. Casey: We need something that will notify someone of a correctable error. Dominic: I think the USGA language is sufficient. Serious breach clause covers these instances. I don’t see how our organization can make a rule. Casey: All of our tournament regulations are over and above that. Sarge: USGA does not care about if it’s a 14-year old girl. Mike: It’s a question of ethics and integrity and you can’t rule on that. Any coach that tries to do something like this should be out of coaching, as Marianne said. Mike: Playing a second ball (Rule 3-3) eliminates all of these situations. Sarge: I tell them at the State Tournament that if they don’t like the ruling they can always play a second ball. Dominic: The rule book protects you because if the call was made by a tournament official and a player follows it, it stands and cannot disqualify a player. Kenny: Let’s come up with something that makes a decision for the future. Ken: Call all penalties before the signing of scorecards or else it’s over. Joe: What about calling a penalty before the next hole? Kevin: What about calling it before the scorecards are signed? Marianne: Once it’s signed/submitted or it’s over – we have all told someone not to sign a card until the ruling is clarified. Casey: I make a motion for a regulation to be added stipulating that once a scorecard is signed except for scoring errors reported by the players in the group only we do not challenge any other rulings once the cards are signed. Dom: I second. The motion is carried, with one dissenting vote. Joe: Sarge will go over our OSHAA rules before the USGA presentation at the May Coaches meeting. Steve: This is the one chance in front of everybody. Kenny: With the season moving one week earlier, do we want to begin discussion on moving the State Tournament up a week in 2011? Joe: I want to have good reasons for changing anything before we go in to propose a decision to the Board of Control. Jonathan: Could we create a committee to look at moving the date of the State Tournaments? Joe: We will form a group – five or less people – to happen soon. Kenny: We need to make a decision by a deadline. Steve: Should we have a requirement for tournament officials having to take a rules test every other year if they want to be a rules interpreter at the sectional/district tournaments? Marianne: We already do that at the Southwest District – we have PGA pros and USGA-trained officials as rules officials. Brian: We get along as coaches much better with that neutral party in charge. Dick: “PGA” does not mean the person is trained in Rules Casey: They also need to understand OHSAA rules. Brian: In our district, those hired as rules officials and the tournament manager work out beforehand who rules on what – USGA, OHSAA, etc. Kenny: What about having a training for all rules officials? Sarge: They do not understand the kids. Kenny: We have come a long way. Marianne: At the State Tournament, we need more rules officials on the course. Sarge to Kenny: As a tournament director, do you have the right to hire rules officials at sectional/district tournament sites? Kenny: yes Steve: We should expect as much from rules officials as we do from our coaches. Kenny: I make a motion to recommend to John that all rules officials be required to attend the rules clinic just like the coaches. These rules officials would be permitted to attend the clinic for free. Casey: We are over-stepping our bounds, that’s the OHSAA’s call who and how they officiate. Ken: PGA pros/rules officials can be too strict. Sarge: Would you hire professional refs for football or basketball? Kenny: By going to the rules meeting they will also hear our OHSAA rules. Steve: It’s the OHSAA meeting, so they must come. Joe: Any more discussion? The motion is carried with 14 ayes, with three dissenting votes. G. District Concerns NE is covered
– already addressed E is covered SE is covered Lora: How can we handle matches of teams with individuals invited? Casey: OHSAA does not sponsor golf as an individual sport. Diane: We never invited individuals to our tournaments, we said it had to be a team so that we could get our team numbers up when we were going for 2 divisions, and it worked! Joe:
be patient as girls golf continues to grow in SW Boys Report: We want a more liberal coaching rule – it is unanimous in our association. Where are we with this? The last vote we had here on this board was tied and a past president decided. Is the use of range finders a dead issue? Joe: The no still stands and will until we can make a strong proposal to the Board – we must have a near unanimous decision with our group here. I recommend we choose our battles when we make proposals to the Board of Control. We would like to have more representation on the State Tournament – either 6 players per team or an additional team added from each district. Casey: OHSAA gave us an allowance for a 6th person in all regular season matches and some leagues wrote that in as the way it is for all matches. It’s not written that way. Communication – could we have an email communication at the state-wide coaches association? Casey: That would be pretty difficult with the huge turn-over of coaches in our sport. SW Girls Report: The girls’ coaches from our district are unanimous in changing the coaching rule. Central Report: Scarlet was set up more difficult, and NorthStar no local rules sheet made available. Kenny: Yes – the sheets were made available at the coaches meeting. There are some long walks between greens and the next tee at NorthStar, and athletes had cart rides on Friday but not Saturday. Why? Kenny: NorthStar staff members were paid both days to transport athletes between those holes with long walks. Why wasn’t the range available after the practice round? And why wasn’t there a defined scoring area? Kenny: I will check on the range question. In terms of the scoring area, we had umbrellas but no rope. We will rope off this area next year. Kenny checked with his fellow tournament directors and emailed this response about the range: “Northstar
closed the driving range all day on Thursday due to the rain NW Report: everything has been addressed already H. Miscellaneous Joe: I want to establish a committee to investigate the coaching rule. We will meet after this meeting to find other opportunities to talk with one another. Joe: We receive many money-making schemes by email. I am making it know to you. Should we be involved? Casey: We need to be careful about who we allow to advertise on our webpage. I make a motion that President or Treasurer will only allow organizations who will make a contribution to our treasury may advertise on our website. Dominic: I second. The motion passed unanimously. Joe: Please go back and inform your district constituents that we all represent boys and girls golf – OHSAA golf. Please let me know if there are any concerns about this. Joe: Any other business? Kevin: I make a motion to adjourn the meeting. Jonathan: I second. All were in favor, and the meeting adjourned at |
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